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Experience 007 Show Notes. Winter is coming – the frosty world of airplane de-icing. The Seat 1A Podcast.

Dec 20, 2018

Recorded 02 December 2018

Written by: Geoff Dahl & Vinod Viswalingam

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It's that time of the year again in northern climates.

Why do we de-ice? A couple of key tragic crashes changed de-icing focus. A quick review of surface contamination. How to get clear the wings of ice – everything from a bucket of hot water on a small plane to glycol on larger planes.

What's the difference between de-icing and anti-icing?

Three main different types of de-icing options used by airports. and how it's cleaned up after use. How is it determined if the plane is going for de-icing? Is there a way we can tell what method an airport uses?

The delays that are possible from de-icing. We look back at Episode Experience 003 where Vinny had a de-icing delay at YYZ.

Does your airport normally get frost, snow or freezing rain? Do they have the equipment to handle a de-icing queue effectively?

De-icing also can happen when it's perfectly sunny...snow squalls can always show up. Delays are also possible due to clearing runways of snow.

Vinny shares an unfortunate incident with a de-icing bucket truck (wasn't with him fortunately!)

Alaska – hinting that they're finally going to join oneworld?

BA has their final 767 passenger flight. What a fantastic workhorse of a plane.

TAP Portugal accepting first 330neo. The world of aviation is evolving quickly these days.

If you have a de-icing story, question or experience that you would like to share, please email us at stories(at)seat1a.org or find us on Facebook, TwitterInstagram and Patreon. Show notes are available online at http://podcast.seat1a.org/


SELECTED LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE EXPERIENCE



NEWS ITEMS

Skift.com | Alaska Airlines Hints It May Finally Join the Oneworld Alliance (27 November 2018)
https://skift.com/2018/11/27/alaska-airlines-hints-it-may-finally-join-the-oneworld-alliance/
"... Alaska Airlines is considering joining the Oneworld marketing alliance dominated by American Airlines, British Airways, and Qantas, though likely not as a full-fledged member, its chief commercial officer told investment analysts on Tuesday. [27 November 2018]..."


airlinerwatch.com | British Airways receives first A321neo and retires last Boeing 767 (26 November 2018)
https://airlinerwatch.com/british-airways-receives-first-a321neo-and-retires-last-boeing-767/
"...British Airways has operated the last scheduled flight with its final Boeing 767 registered as G-BZHA from Larnaca in Cyprus to London-Heathrow on November 25. The aircraft took off from Larnaca at 07:45PM EET and landed at London-Heathrow at 10:34PM GMT..."


Airliner World | Airbus Delivers First A330neo (28 November 2018)
https://airlinerworld.keypublishing.com/2018/11/airbus-delivers-first-a330neo/
"...TAP Air Portugal has accepted delivery of the first Airbus A330neo at an event held at the aerospace giant’s Toulouse facility. The Portuguese national carrier is due to receive a further 20 of the type in the coming years, which will form the backbone of its long-haul fleet..."



SHOW NOTES

  • Introduction to de-icing [00:01:10]
  • Two flight crashes that led to the changes in de-icing [00:01:51]
  • The procedure...starting simple [00:04:30]
  • De-icing versus anti-icing [00:06:35]
  • Different ways that different airports de-ice [00:09:43]
  • Who decides to de-ice [00:13:06]
  • Is there a way we can tell as passengers how the plane will be de-iced? [00:15:14]
  • How to be prepared for delays – and we look back to Episode Experience 003 [00:16:06]
  • Remember just because it's dry on the ground doesn't mean you won't go for anti-icing treatment – Vinny shares a story from YUL [00:20:14]
  • Be aware for your connections – Vinny shares another de-ice delay story at HAM [00:22:50]
  • Remember that clearing runways of snow can also delay your flight [00:23:51]
  • Planes getting backed up at YEG due to delays on de-icing pad [00:24:48]
  • Vinny shares a story of a very hot de-icing incident [00:26:26]
  • News stories
    • Alaska – hinting that they're finally going to join oneworld? [00:31:17]
    • British Airways retires last Boeing 767 [00:31:51]
    • Airbus Delivers First A330neo [00:34:19]
  • Remembering famous Boeing 767 "Gimli Glider" [00:35:38]
  • Wrap-up [00:36:22]